The Pomp Podcast

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we break down the SpaceX IPO, orbital data centers, and the critical minerals powering the AI buildout. We also discuss the AI model wars, why Jordi thinks Sam Altman won't be running OpenAI within a year, and how the New York Knicks playoff run connects to the future of crypto and blockchain in a world of AI and deep fakes.
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0:00 - Intro
1:00 - SpaceX IPO, Elon & orbital data centers
12:15 - Critical minerals & the AI supply chain
18:55 - American industrial sovereignty & critical chemicals
22:36 - AI model cost crisis & who wins the model war
37:10 - Knicks NBA Finals & the case for crypto in an AI world
47:48 - Jeff Bezos launches Prometheus
50:34 - AI use case of the week

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Chris Kline is the co-founder and COO of Bitcoin IRA. In this conversation, we break down the biggest myths about bitcoin — including whether it's too late to buy, whether it's too volatile for retirement savings, and whether the government will ever ban it. We also discuss the strategic bitcoin reserve, quantum computing fears, and the convergence of AI and crypto.
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0:00 - Intro
0:31 - Myth #1: It's too late to buy bitcoin
2:13 - Myth #2: Bitcoin is too volatile for retirement savings
6:09 - Myth #3: The government will ban bitcoin
10:50 - Myth #4: Quantum computing is a threat to bitcoin
14:12 - Giveaway: 1914 Federal Reserve notes + Bitcoin IRA offer

Anthony Pompliano breaks down why bitcoin is down 50% from its highs and whether the bear market bottom is in. In this episode, he covers Jordi Visser's capital rotation thesis, institutional buying from Middle East sovereign funds, bitcoin hitting the 200-week moving average for the first time since 2023, and why the data suggests now may be one of the best buying opportunities in bitcoin's history.
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0:00 - Intro
0:23 - Jordi Visser: Capital rotation away from bitcoin?
7:03 - Is crypto winter here? 
9:25 - Bitcoin hits the 200-week moving average for the first time since 2023
10:35 - RSI at historic lows & short-term holder capitulation
11:30 - More underwater holders than profitable ones — what it means
12:08 - Final take: dollar cost averaging in big drawdowns

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we discuss why bitcoin is down 50% and whether the bear market is over, why he's still buying through the dip, how AI agents will drive bitcoin adoption, and why the rotation from AI hardware to human software is the biggest investment opportunity right now.
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.
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Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/pomp
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0:00 - Intro
0:45 - Why bitcoin is down 50% & is the bear market over?
6:48 - What would convince Jordi to sell his bitcoin?
9:07 - Bitcoin as the S&P 500 of crypto
14:02 - Why bitcoin is safer than any company past 2030
17:45 - Bitcoin volatility vs. the stock market
22:22 - The five-layer AI stack & where revenues are missing
26:22 - Token budgets & the shift to specialized AI
35:10 - Are LLMs now commoditized?
40:30 - Peptides as the API key for the human body
49:24 - Healthcare, entitlements & the future outlook

Matt Cole is the CEO of Strive Asset Management. In this conversation, we break down digital credit — what it is, how it works, and why it could be the most important asset in the transition from fiat to a bitcoin future. We discuss the mechanics of Strive's SATA product, dividend structures, Michael Saylor's decision to sell bitcoin, and why a thriving ecosystem of digital credit issuers is better for bitcoin long-term.
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0:00 - Intro
0:41 - What is digital credit & what problem does it solve?
5:17 - How the carry trade works
8:48 - Daily dividends & dividend structure
10:52 - Downside risk & balance sheet protection
16:18 - The strongest critique of digital credit
19:32 - Michael Saylor selling bitcoin
27:03 - Bitcoin price action vs. bullish headlines
31:32 - Where is digital credit taking capital from?
36:44 - Banks, Jamie Dimon & systemic risk
38:52 - Strive vs. Strategy
42:38 - Too much bitcoin held by public companies?
48:33 - Strive's mission & the road ahead