Decoder with Nilay Patel

The last time Canva CEO Melanie Perkins was on Decoder, the company was starting a big push into enterprise. Now, she's leading it through a total reinvention, going, in Canva's words, "from a design platform with AI tools to an AI platform with design tools."

But there's a lot of competition in that AI enterprise space. Not only is Canva competing with design software like the Adobe Creative Suite, but also it's competing with AI companies, like Anthropic and Meta, that are launching their own AI design platforms. So we talked a lot about whether Canva really is the right platform to bring the whole workspace together.

Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

Canva AI 2.0 goes all in on prompt-powered design tools | The Verge

The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe | The Verge

Anthropic launches Claude Design | TechCrunch

Canva is now in the coding and spreadsheet business | The Verge

Melanie Perkins thinks the world needs more alternatives to Adobe | Decoder (2024)

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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Today I’m talking with Ronan Farrow, one of the biggest stars of investigative reporting working today. He broke the Harvey Weinstein story, among many, many others.

Just last week, he and co-author Andrew Marantz published an incredible deep-dive feature in The New Yorker about OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, his trustworthiness, and the rise of OpenAI itself. So Ronan came on the show to discuss the piece, his reporting process, and why he thinks this story and the revelations it contains really matter. 

Read the full interview transcript here on The Verge.

Links: 

Sam Altman may control our future — can he be trusted? | The New Yorker

Hey ChatGPT, which one of these is the real Sam Altman? | New York Times

Suspect throws molotov cocktail at Sam Altman’s home | Wired

The attacks on Sam Altman are a warning for the AI world | The Verge

The vibes are off at OpenAI | The Verge

Why Sam Altman was booted from OpenAI | The Verge

Sam Altman, unconstrained by the truth | Gary Marcus

A brief history of Sam Altman's hype | MIT Tech Review

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Sarah Personette is the CEO of Puck, a media company that's been around for about five years. Puck hires big star reporters who write newsletters as part of a subscription bundle. Those newsletters are often must-reads in their industries, and those reporters get equity in Puck and a share of the company's revenue.

It's a place where the financial incentives of the influencer economy crash right into the rigors of traditional journalism — and as regular Decoder listeners know, I have a lot of questions about how those two things work (or don't) in the modern media landscape. 

Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

Puck buys Air Mail in deal valued at $16M | The Wrap

The man yelling ‘iceberg’ on the Hollywood Titanic | New York Times

Sarah Personette joins news startup Puck as CEO | Variety

Are we past peak newsletter? | New York Times

Two new newsletters bet they’ve got Hollywood covered | LA Times

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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Today, let’s talk about the looming AI monetization cliff, and whether some of the biggest companies in space can become real, profitable businesses before they careen right off it.

My guest today is Hayden Field, who’s our senior AI reporter here at The Verge. She’s been keeping close tabs on both Anthropic and OpenAI, and how these two companies, both slate to go public this year, tell us a whole lot about the AI industry in 2026.

Links: 

The vibes are off at OpenAI | The Verge

Anthropic essentially bans OpenClaw from Claude | The Verge

Why OpenAI killed Sora | The Verge

OpenAI just bought TBPN | The Verge

National poll shows voters like AI less than ICE | The Verge

The spiraling cost of making AI | WSJ

OpenAI’s Fidji Simo taking leave amid exec shake-up | Wired

OpenAI raises another $122B at $850B valuation | The Verge

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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My guest today is Cisco CEO Chuck Robbins. Cisco is one of those big companies that everyone has heard of but most of us don’t have to interact with very much; they’re not really a consumer brand. But without Cisco's actual routers and switches and silicon — and the software to make those things work —  there’s no internet, no cloud, and no AI.

But a data center is a really unpleasant neighbor to have, and there’s robust opposition to new data center builds all over the country. So I had to start by asking what feels, strangely, like one of the most urgent questions of the moment: Should we build data centers in space?

Links:

Nvidia launches space computing, rocketing AI Into orbit | Nvidia

Nvidia’s AI dominance expands to networking | CRN

Amid rising pushback, 2025 data center cancellations surge | Heatmap

Billionaires want data centers everywhere, including space | The Verge

How Ciena keeps the internet online | Decoder

Okta’s CEO is betting big on agent identity | Decoder

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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