The Breakdown

x402 just got a lot bigger. The Linux Foundation is now backing it — and maybe Amazon, Google, Stripe, Mastercard, and American Express along with them.

In this episode, David sits down with Jordan Liu, co-founder of AIsa — one of earliest builders in the x402 ecosystem, with over 20 million microtransactions already processed.

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:42) What AISA Builds

(02:55) X40 Goes Linux

(07:30) Nexo Ad

(08:07) Adoption and Micropayments

(19:58) Nexo Ad and Blockworks IR Promo

(21:38) Adoption and Micropayments (Con’t)

(25:06) Protocols Roadblocks Future

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AI agents are coming online fast — and the payment rails for that world are being built right now.

David breaks down the race between Coinbase’s x402 and Stripe’s Machine Payments Protocol, the rise of agentic commerce, and why crypto may have a natural edge, before sitting down with Jordan Liu of AIsa.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:30) Tool Time

(03:45) AI-doption

(05:48) Nexo Ad

(06:30) When in Doubt, Incentivize

(07:36) Interview with Jordan Liu

(12:24) Nexo Ad and Blockworks IR Promo

(14:09) Interview with Jordan Liu (Con’t)

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While The Breakdown is between seasons, we’re bringing some of our favorite conversations from across Blockworks onto the feed.

In this episode of Forward Guidance, Felix Jauvin sits down with Fed Governor Stephen Miran at DAS to discuss why he believes inflation fears are overstated, why the Fed may still be too restrictive, and how AI, deregulation, and stablecoins could all shape the future of monetary policy.

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TIMECODES

(00:00) Introduction

(02:36) Why Miran Dissented

(05:10) Nexo Ad

(05:44) Looking Through Oil Shocks

(07:32) AI And Deregulation Disinflate

(11:04) The Case For Neutral

(13:26) What Sets Neutral Rates

(17:03) Nexo Ad and Blockworks IR Promo

(18:47) Where “Running It Hot” Narrative Fails

(26:01) Skinny Master Accounts

(28:00) Stablecoins And Dollar Demand

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While The Breakdown is between seasons, we’re sharing a panel from Digital Assets Summit featuring the team behind Inflection Point. The conversation explores how investors should think about crypto valuations, what gives L1s value, and why there’s still no shared framework for pricing blockchain networks.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(04:46) Crypto Valuation Models Are Broken

(10:01) Nexo Ad

(10:42) Revenue Isn’t the Answer

(16:23) One Asset Class or Many?

(18:43) Nexo Ad and Blockworks IR Promo

(20:23) Network Effects Need Revenue

(26:03) Blockspace Isn’t A Commodity

(31:20) Institutions Need Intellectual Permission

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While The Breakdown is between seasons, we’re sharing a panel from Digital Asset Summit hosted by David. The discussion explores how institutions think about on-chain privacy, the tradeoffs involved, and what it takes to bring financial systems onto blockchain infrastructure.

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Timestamps:(00:00) Introduction

(00:45) Meet the Privacy Builders

(04:17) What Institutions Want

(08:40) Nexo Ad

(09:17) What Institutions Want (Con’t)

(23:00) Nexo Ad

(23:52) Composability and Compliance

(35:39) Retail vs Institutions Wrap

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