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    Bad at Sports Episode 929: Dan Attoe

    24/02/2026 | 54 min
    Recorded on the fly during art fair week, live at NADA, this conversation with Dan Attoe moves from metal-kid origin stories to Zen meditation, daily practice, tattooing, landscape painting, and the unexpected turn toward writing a horror novel.
    Duncan opens with a personal note: a Dan Attoe painting has been hanging in his home for 22 years, a wedding gift that quietly embedded itself into the fabric of his life, which frames the conversation, and traces Attoe's arc from rural Idaho and northern Minnesota outsider to one of the most recognizable painters of his generation.
    Attoe talks about the seven-year run of making a painting every weekday, a discipline that functioned less as a productivity hack and more as a survival strategy. What began as wild, sex-and-drugs-and-rowdy-party imagery rooted in imagined social worlds gradually shifted toward the meditative landscapes he's now known for. These aren't observed sites but constructed psychic spaces, built from memory, attention, and what he calls a process of "composting" experience.
    Zen practice, daily drawing, and tattooing form a three-part studio structure that keeps the work in motion. Learning to tattoo on his own body sharpened his attention to contrast, permanence, and empathy, feeding directly back into the paintings. Along the way we get patches, skate culture, Methodist guilt, Barry McGee installations, Walker Art Center bookstore theory dives, and the long road from being told to abandon heavy-metal imagery to fully embracing it as the engine of a mature practice.
    The conversation closes on writing: how Stephen King, the Iowa Writers' Workshop, and decades of accumulated art-world experience led Attoe to channel theory, narrative, and lived history into a horror novel.
    It's a talk about attention, energy, and letting the work tell you what it needs to become.
    Images courtesy of Western Exhibitions - 
    A party for children, 2019
    India ink and graphite on paper
    7h x 7w in
     

    Fingertip Mountain, 2020
    Oil on Canvas on Panel
    24h x 24w in
     

    Forest Path with Glowing Orb, 2021
    Oil on Canvas on Panel
    36h x 24w in
     

    Dual Falls with Painted Arches, 2021
    Oil on Canvas on Panel
    36h x 24w in



    Names Dropped:
    Dan Attoe — https://www.danattoe.com Dan Attoe at Western Exhibitions — https://westernexhibitions.com/artists/dan-attoe Dan Attoe at PPOW — https://ppowgallery.com/artists/dan-attoe/ Clouds Tattoo (Attoe's shop) — https://www.cloudstattoo.com A Talking Tree — https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Tree-Dan-Attoe/dp/B0D4JGYR2F
    Barry McGee — https://www.ratio3.org/artists/barry-mcgee Chris Johanson — https://altman-siegel.com/artists/chris-johanson Jean-Michel Basquiat — https://gagosian.com/artists/jean-michel-basquiat/ Titian — https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/artists/titian Giorgione — https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/artists/giorgione Arthur Danto — https://www.columbia.edu/cu/philosophy/faculty/danto.html Dr. Woo — https://drwoo.com
    Natalie Goldberg — https://nataliegoldberg.com Stephen King — https://stephenking.com George Saunders — https://georgesaundersbooks.com Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance — https://www.harpercollins.com/products/zen-and-the-art-of-motorcycle-maintenance-robert-m-pirsig
    Jean-François Lyotard — https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/lyotard/ Jean Baudrillard — https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/baudrillard/
    Walker Art Center — https://walkerart.org Iowa Writers' Workshop — https://writersworkshop.uiowa.edu
    Iron Maiden — https://www.ironmaiden.com Danzig — https://www.danzig-verotik.com Twin Peaks — https://www.sho.com/twin-peaks Dragonlance / Larry Elmore — https://larryelmore.com
    New Art Dealers Alliance –– https://www.newartdealers.org/
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    Bad at Sports Episode 928: Robert Burnier

    17/02/2026 | 57 min
    Recorded live at the Stony Island Arts Bank with the Chicago Architecture Biennial
    Robert Burnier joins Duncan MacKenzie and Brian Andrews for a wide-ranging conversation that moves between sculpture, drawing, divination systems, urban planning, Mondrian, Agnes Martin, and the politics of place.
    Known for his bent and torsioned aluminum works—objects that hold gesture, decision, and duration in their skins—Burnier talks about a recent body of drawings made while traveling between Europe and South Africa. Working on translucent washi paper, the pieces attempt to register light, color, and spatial memory rather than image, emerging from time spent in Cape Town's Bo-Kaap and the erased landscape of District Six. The discussion connects these experiences to Burnier's upbringing in Oak Park and to larger questions about how communities are structured, protected, or destroyed through seemingly mundane formal decisions.
    From there the conversation spirals outward into the role of myth, tarot, and Yoruba divination as models for thinking through chaos, and into the slow time of art as a counterpoint to the speed of contemporary media. Lorezetti's Allegory of Good and Bad Government becomes a touchstone for considering how abstraction can carry ethical or civic attitude without becoming propaganda, and how form itself can function as content.
    Throughout, Burnier frames sculpture and drawing as "sites of possibility" rather than statements—tuning forks for thought that ask viewers to complete the work through their own duration and attention.
    The episode closes with talk of new material directions following a recent Pollock-Krasner grant and an ongoing commitment to work that never fully resolves, but keeps adjusting—open, provisional, and in motion.
    Images courtesy of Andrew Rafacz Gallery.
    Zulua Ĉ iela Kapo, 2025 (top)
    Acrylic on aluminum
    Nebulaj Ćeloj (Soyinka IV), 2023 (bottom)
    Acrylic on aluminum
     
    Robert Burnier – https://www.robertburnier.com
    Andrew Rafacz Gallery – https://andrewrafacz.com
    Corvi-Mora (London) – https://www.corvi-mora.com
    Bad at Sports – https://badatsports.com
    Lumpen Radio (WLPN 105.5 FM) – https://lumpenradio.com
    Agnes Martin – https://www.moma.org/artists/3787
    Ambrogio Lorenzetti – The Allegory of Good and Bad Government
    https://www.wga.hu/html_m/l/lorenzet/ambrogio/governme/index.html
    Bo-Kaap (Cape Town) – https://www.capetown.travel/areas/bo-kaap/
    Buddhism – https://www.britannica.com/topic/Buddhism
    Chicago Architecture Biennial – https://www.chicagoarchitecturebiennial.org
    Christopher Wool – https://gagosian.com/artists/christopher-wool/
    District Six Museum – https://www.districtsix.co.za
    Oak Park, Illinois – https://www.oak-park.us
    Piet Mondrian – https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/piet-mondrian-1654
    School of the Art Institute of Chicago (SAIC) – https://www.saic.edu
    Schopenhauer – https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/schopenhauer/
    Stony Island Arts Bank – https://rebuild-foundation.org/site/stony-island-arts-bank
    Takashi Murakami – https://www.perrotin.com/artists/Takashi_Murakami/1
    Tarot – https://www.britannica.com/topic/tarot
    Yoruba Divination (Ifá) – https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ifa
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    Bad at Sports Episode 927: Alfred Steiner

    16/02/2026 | 50 min
    Recorded in Miami during art fair week:

    Alfred Steiner joins Bad at Sports live from Miami, arriving by bicycle from the beach in full cowboy boots and jeans, already soaked through and fully inside the psychic weather of art fair week. A painter, conceptual artist, and practicing intellectual property lawyer, Steiner brings a rare combination of market fluency, legal clarity, and genuine artistic skepticism to a conversation that moves easily between booths, blockchain, copyright law, and the unwritten rules that quietly govern the art world.
    The discussion opens with a pulse check on the fairs, moving from NADA's familiar "house style" of faux-naïve figurative painting to the broader diversity of the main fair. Rather than ranking winners and losers, Steiner frames art fairs as emotionally destabilizing machines, places where impressive work and baffling work coexist in ways that are equally exhausting. What matters most is not judgment but endurance, the daily labor of continuing to make work in a system that constantly measures value against visibility and sales.
    From there, the episode dives deep into Steiner's dual practice. As an artist, his work spans painting, language-based conceptual pieces, NFTs, and legal interventions that deliberately stress-test institutional systems. He walks through two blockchain projects that were designed to fail commercially, including one where each NFT generates a unique text based on a buyer's Ethereum address, and another where ownership includes the right to alter the work itself, opening the door to misuse, mischief, and unexpected generosity.
    NFTs check in as, Steiner recounts a moment when an NFT holder copied a high-value work by Mitchell Chan, prompting Chan to respond by turning the forgery into an original drawing. The story becomes a parable about trust, legitimacy, and the strange ethics that emerge when technology destabilizes traditional ideas of originality.
    The conversation touches copyright law, photography, and artificial intelligence. Steiner explains why registering a copyright still matters, even in an age of ubiquitous images, and why most photographs are protected by default despite containing little expressive decision-making. He outlines how current legal frameworks are struggling to catch up with AI training practices, predicting that future court decisions will hinge not on whether content was scraped, but on how models are used and whose markets they undermine.
    Threaded throughout is a candid reflection on professional identity. Steiner speaks openly about the suspicion artists face when they have parallel careers, the romantic myth of total artistic devotion, and the quiet prejudice against artists who appear too competent, too organized, or too financially stable. Having spent years working part-time at Morrison & Foerster before founding his own firm, Steiner argues that the art world's fear of "dabblers" says more about its investment logic than about artistic seriousness.
    Recorded live, mid-fair, with sweat, exhaustion, legal theory, and humor all equally present, the episode offers a rare look at how art, law, labor, and belief intersect... Just don't look to hard at it.
     
    NAMES DROPPED
    Art Basel Miami Beach — https://www.artbasel.com/miami-beach
    NADA Miami (New Art Dealers Alliance) — https://thenada.org/nada-miami
    Untitled Art Fair — https://untitledartfairs.com
    Ethereum blockchain — https://ethereum.org
    Mitchell Chan — https://mitchellchan.com
    Rick Astley (via Rickrolling NFTs) — https://www.rickastley.co.uk
    Lawrence Weiner — https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/lawrence-weiner-2124
    U.S. Copyright Office — https://www.copyright.gov
    Supreme Court of the United States — https://www.supremecourt.gov
    Morrison & Foerster
    Alfred Steiner - https://alfredsteiner.com/
  • Bad at Sports

    Bad at Sports Episode 926: Gabriel Barcia-Colombo

    11/02/2026 | 58 min
    Gabriel Barcia-Colombo
    Recorded at the Stony Island Arts Bank during the Chicago Architecture Biennial


    Gabriel Barcia-Colombo joins Bad at Sports from a rain-soaked tailgate outside the Stony Island Arts Bank, in the middle of Chicago Architecture Biennial programming and an open-hours weekend that turns the city into both subject and stage. A media artist whose work consistently centers human presence inside technological systems, Barcia-Colombo is in Chicago to present Media Stream, a large-scale public artwork that brings the people of Chicago directly onto the architecture they move through every day.
    The project is built from hundreds of filmed participants, composited into an algorithmic, ever-changing flow across vertical LED blades embedded in a public building. Contributors are asked to perform ordinary gestures, then to imagine moments of sublimity or loss, producing intimate, vulnerable expressions that are scaled up and encountered by strangers passing through the space. The result is a work that reverses the usual logic of media spectacle, shifting attention away from screens and systems and back toward the faces of people themselves.
    From there, the conversation opens into a wide-ranging discussion of digital memory, data after death, and the uneasy permanence of media archives. Barcia-Colombo reflects on early works like Animalia, Chordata, his long-running interest in collecting and containing human presence, and later projects such as The Hereafter Institute, which staged personalized funerals for participants' digital lives. Throughout, the group wrestles with the problem of preservation in media art, from CRT monitors and film projectors to contemporary AI tools that threaten to erase labor, context, and material specificity.
    The episode also touches on Barcia-Colombo's collaboration with David Byrne, his role as co-director of NYU's Interactive Telecommunications Program, and the contradictions of teaching technology as a humanist practice inside systems driven by speed, spectacle, and capitalization. What emerges is a thoughtful meditation on how artists can still create moments of connection and care inside infrastructures not designed for either.
    Recorded live, mid-storm, with rain hitting the merch cart and conversation drifting easily between theory, jokes, and deeply personal reflection.
    Highlights & Moments
    Turning public architecture into a living portrait of the city
    LED "blades" as broken, moving images rather than seamless spectacle
    Directing strangers to perform the everyday and the sublime
    Data, memory, and what happens to our digital lives after death
    Early video art as prophecy rather than nostalgia
    The problem of preserving media art as technologies disappear
    Labor, erasure, and value in digital and AI-assisted work
    Teaching technology as a humanist practice at NYU ITP
    Collaborating with David Byrne under extreme time constraints
    AI as mirror, therapist, and deeply unsettling collaborator
    Names Dropped
    Stony Island Arts Bank — https://rebuild-foundation.org/site/stony-island-arts-bank/
    Chicago Architecture Biennial — https://www.chicagoarchitecturebiennial.org
    Media Stream - https://150mediastream.com/
    Gabriel Barcia-Colombo - https://www.gabebc.com/
    Times Square public art installations
    Animalia, Chordata
    The Hereafter Institute
    Nam June Paik — https://www.paikstudios.com
    Bruce Nauman — https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/bruce-nauman-1478
    Paul Pfeiffer — https://www.moma.org/artists/4595
    Christian Marclay — https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/christian-marclay-732
    NYU Tisch School of the Arts — https://tisch.nyu.edu
    Interactive Telecommunications Program (ITP) — https://itp.nyu.edu
    Neon Museum, Las Vegas — https://www.neonmuseum.org
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    Bad at Sports Episode 925: Nicholas DiLeonardi (Gitler&_____)

    10/02/2026 | 56 min
    Nicholas DiLeonardi (Gitler&_____)
    Recorded in Miami during art fair week
    Nicholas DiLeonardi joins Bad at Sports from the middle of Miami art fair week, not from a booth but from the pavement between them. Assistant Director and consultant at Gitler&_____, DiLeonardi spends the week moving between fairs, collectors, hammocks, robot dogs, and banana sightings, offering a ground-level view of what art fairs actually feel like when you are advising clients rather than selling from behind a wall.
    The conversation moves fluidly from ranking fairs to questioning the psychic cost of sitting in a booth, from the pleasures of approachable painting to skepticism about over-packaged meaning. DiLeonardi talks candidly about advising as a practice, collecting as a responsibility, and why sometimes the best work is the work that does not want to explain itself. Along the way, the group unpacks the strange theater of Art Basel, the social logic of NADA, the pleasures and limits of Untitled, and what it means to keep showing up to a system that is both exhausting and irresistible.
    The episode also dives into Gitler&____'s public-facing projects, including the long-running Audubon Mural Project, and the blurred line between consultancy, gallery work, and artist support. It is a conversation about taste, access, labor, exhaustion, and the odd hope that keeps people flying back to Miami year after year.
    Recorded live, with roosters, bridges, hammocks, and just enough art world self-awareness to stay funny.
    Highlights & Moments
    Ranking Miami fairs while openly admitting bias
    Why NADA still feels like a New York fair dropped into Miami
    Hammocks as both seating and market distortion
    Untitled as the gateway fair for first-time collectors
    The Beeple robot dog spectacle and the freedom of not knowing how to feel about it
    Counting banana references across satellite fairs
    "No motive" painting and the desire for unmediated experience
    Art advising as a creative practice rather than pure transaction
    The psychic toll of booth sitting and forced enthusiasm
    Why pre-selling booths feels like theater everyone agrees to perform
     
    Names Dropped:
    ·       Art Basel Miami Beach — https://www.artbasel.com/miami-beach
    ·       NADA Miami (New Art Dealers Alliance) — https://thenada.org/nada-miami
    ·       Untitled Art Fair — https://untitledartfairs.com/
    ·       Scope Art Show — https://scope-artshow.com/ 
    ·       Audubon Mural Project — https://www.audubon.org/muralproject
    ·       National Audubon Society — https://www.audubon.org/
    ·       Beeple (Mike Winkelmann) coverage — https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/beeple-pooping-robot-dogs-at-art-basel-miami-beach-1234765375/
    ·       Robert Moskowitz- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moskowitz
    ·       Andrew Spence- https://andrewspenceart.com
    ·       Western Exhibitions- https://westernexhibitions.com
    ·       Submissions- https://www.submissions.art
    ·       Canada Gallery- https://canadagallery.com
    ·       Mac's Club- https://www.macsclubdeuce.com
    ·       Gitler&____- https://www.gitlerand.com/

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