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What if cleaning your kitchen counter could actually help with depression? What if rearranging your living room could improve your relationships? Or moving your fruit bowl could make you healthier? We tend to think change is all about what's happening inside us — our mindset, our habits, our willpower. But what if the secret to a better life isn't just about what you do, but where you do it?
My guest today is Leidy Klotz, a professor at the University of Virginia, behavioral scientist, and author of the fascinating new book In a Good Place. Leidy explains that every human has three basic psychological needs — agency, growth, and connection — and once you understand them, you can intentionally design your spaces to meet them.
Some of the things we discuss in this episode are:
The 3 basic psychological needs your environment should be giving you — and what to evaluate before you ever look at the kitchen backsplash.
Why a psychologist's prescription for depression might be to organize your kitchen — and the surprising reason it works.
The "Memorial Gym" effect — how you walk past life-changing opportunities every single day without ever noticing them.
Why your sight is so dominant that it's robbing you of the most powerful sensory experiences your space has to offer.
The bizarre way returning to an old space can rewind your habits 11 years in an instant.
Why "screen-free rooms" are the wrong approach — and the simple flip Leidy recommends instead.
The fire extinguisher study that reveals just how much you're missing in your own environment.
The tension between novelty and nostalgia — and how to know when a renovation is actually a mistake.
The story of Josie's Way — a profoundly moving lesson on how physical spaces can carry someone's spirit forward.
The fascinating brain science behind why we describe relationships using the language of space ("close to," "distant from") — and what it reveals about how we connect.
If you've ever felt stuck, overwhelmed, or like you're working against yourself to build better habits, this conversation will completely change how you think about the rooms you live in.
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