Tinfoil Swans

Chef, restaurateur, author, and satirist Eli Sussman talks about growing up in a food-loving family outside Detroit, the painful mistake of giving away his treasured cookbooks, leaving a comfortable career in advertising to start over as a line cook, and the hard-earned lessons of opening his own restaurants, and why he had to change his shirt three times when New York Times critic Pete Wells came to dinner. Sussman reflects on his move to Chicago, finding comedy and belonging in restaurant culture, coaching Dominic Sessa for the Anthony Bourdain film Tony, and his forthcoming satirical business book, Me Chef, You Chef, Oui Chef.

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When Vikas Khanna was growing up in a small town in India, he was bullied by the other children for wearing braces on his legs and not being able to play like them. But his grandmother and sister saw him for who he truly was: a lion. They brought him into the kitchen, and he roared to life. An extraordinary life at that, where he makes movies, writes books, feeds millions of hungry people, and runs Bungalow — the most watched Indian restaurant on the planet. He joined Tinfoil Swans for a truly moving conversation about grief, the power of people believing in you, why he wants to "unrestaurant" himself, and why he feels driven to feed the world.

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Patrick O'Connell has spent nearly five decades building The Inn at Little Washington into one of America's most celebrated restaurants. At the age of 80, he is finally sharing his story in the memoir, Main, Middle & Gay. In this conversation, he shares the childhood experiences that shaped his lifelong pursuit of beauty, opening a restaurant as half of a gay couple in rural Virginia, finding his place among the misfits and oddballs who gravitate toward restaurant work, earning the trust of the legendary food writer Craig Claiborne, hosting guests including Paul Newman and Barbra Streisand, and why he believes the highest form of hospitality is healing.

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Chef and Food Network star Ayesha Nurdjaja shares how one Lidia Bastianich recipe steered her away from law school to the kitchens of Felidia, A Voce, Artisanal, and then her own restaurants Shuka, and Shukette. She opens up about defying her family's expectations, breaking the cycle of toxic kitchen culture, the realities of running restaurants, her new cookbook Mediterranean All the Way, and why her goal is to become a legend.

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Episode Art Courtesy of Food & Wine /Clay Williams
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When Daniel Patterson and Sarah Lewitinn (a.k.a. Ultragrrrl) went on their first Hinge date, neither of them was in a great place. No one was, really, because it was in January of 2021. Daniel is an acclaimed chef who'd just been through a divorce and couldn't be in his natural habitat of restaurants. Sarah had spent her whole life in the music industry and found herself burned out — not even able to enjoy listening to bands she loved. But that spark between them roared into a fire, and the two of them aren't just married — they have opened a restaurant together in Los Angeles based on the delight they discovered throwing dinner parties together, with him in the kitchen and her creating the musical and hospitality vibes at the dining table. The two joined Tinfoil Swans to talk about their radically different upbringings, finding their driving passions early on, burning out, and how finding one another at a low point helped them fall back in love with food and music.

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