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Recorded October 30, 2026. Armin Ronacher and Mario Zechner of Earendil join Dillon and Rhys. Mario explains his "software is dead" tweet, admits he always pushes to main, and the group figures out whether code review was ever more than theater. Dillon walks through Cloudflare's Engineering Codex and AI code reviewer, Armin tells the story of two agents passing ZIP files to each other over WhatsApp, and Armin and Mario explain what Earendil wants to be next year.
 
LINKS / ON-SCREEN REFERENCES, IN ORDER
SOFTWARE IS DEAD. SAD.
Mario, "software is dead. sad." https://x.com/badlogicgames/status/2115002476311241104
Mario, "jk" https://x.com/badlogicgames/status/2115527464978137477
Schleudertrauma (German Wikipedia) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleudertrauma
Cristina Poncela Cubeiro, Earendil https://ai.engineer/speakers/cristina-poncela-cubeiro
 
CODE REVIEW IS THEATER
Justin Bennett, "Code Review Sucks Now, but It Doesn't Have To" https://just-be.dev/blog/code-review-sucks-now
Pi https://pi.dev
Pi Durable https://earendil.com/posts/pi-durable
Pi Durable on Cloudflare https://earendil.com/posts/pi-durable-on-cloudflare
"About 1,000 podcast episodes" on Pi Durable https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pi+durable
OpenCode https://opencode.ai
Cloudflare, "Code Orange: Fail Small is complete" (the Engineering Codex) https://blog.cloudflare.com/code-orange-fail-small-complete/
RFC 2119, MUST / SHOULD / MAY https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2119/
Cloudflare, "Orchestrating AI Code Review at scale" https://blog.cloudflare.com/ai-code-review/
Kimi https://www.kimi.com/
Armin, "Engineering for Breathing Room" https://mitsuhiko.github.io/talks/engineering-at-earendil
Lefos https://lefos.com
 
THE BIRTH OF WAY TOO MUCH SOFTWARE
ArtCraft https://getartcraft.com
GIMP https://www.gimp.org
Foldkit https://foldkit.dev
Effect https://effect.website
Moltbook https://www.moltbook.com
Cloudflare Hyperdrive https://developers.cloudflare.com/hyperdrive
Dillon, Artifacts open beta https://x.com/dillon_mulroy/status/2105647446789374456
Mario's robot https://mariozechner.at/posts/2026-05-30-shitty-robot/
Amp (Thorsten Ball) https://ampcode.com
TypeSafe, Jev https://typesafe.ai/blog/introducing-system-one-models-and-jev
Cloudflare, Clef decision models https://blog.cloudflare.com/clef-decision-models
 
WHAT IS EARENDIL BUILDING?
Earendil https://earendil.com
 
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HOSTS + GUESTS
Dillon Mulroy - https://x.com/dillon_mulroy - https://dillonis.online/ - https://twitch.tv/dillon
Rhys Sullivan - https://x.com/RhysSullivan - https://rhys.dev/ - https://executor.sh/
Sunil Pai - https://x.com/threepointone - https://sunilpai.dev/
 
Guest: Armin Ronacher - https://x.com/mitsuhiko - https://lucumr.pocoo.org/
Guest: Mario Zechner - https://x.com/badlogicgames - https://mariozechner.at/
 
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Recorded October 12, 2026. Matt Carey from Cloudflare joins Dillon, Rhys, and Sunil as Code Mode turns one year old. We discuss where it came from, how it actually works, and what comes after it. Rhys explains Claude modding video games + the dead internet of Facebook Marketplace, Dillon describes the AI moment for normies, and Matt tells a story about a big defense contractor.
 
LINKS / ON-SCREEN REFERENCES, IN ORDER
LIFE UPDATES
Dillon, Artifacts open beta https://x.com/dillon_mulroy/status/2105647446789374456
Rhys, Claude gave Inertial Drift custom servers + maps https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2106604353058697699
Rhys, Inertial Drift first-person mode https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2109689736860475597
PC Gamer, reskate modding platform https://www.pcgamer.com/games/sports/reskate-modding-platform-released/
Rhys, Muse lists a broken lamp https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2109042678205976921
 
CODE MODE
Cloudflare, "Code Mode: the better way to use MCP" https://blog.cloudflare.com/code-mode/
Rhys, bash took 30 years, MCP was vibe coded in a weekend https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2109096851647721782
CodeAct (Apple) https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/codeact
Matt, "Code Mode: give agents an entire API in 1,000 tokens" https://blog.cloudflare.com/code-mode-mcp/
Pi https://pi.dev
OpenCode 2.0 https://x.com/opencode/status/2109680780779606057
Dillon, Code Mode + Jev in Pi https://x.com/dillon_mulroy/status/2105453668266873091
TypeSafe, Jev https://typesafe.ai/blog/introducing-system-one-models-and-jev
QuickJS https://bellard.org/quickjs/
Cloudflare Computer https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-computer
Vercel Run SDK https://vercel.com/blog/introducing-run
Callscript https://github.com/vercel-labs/callscript
 
WHAT'S NEXT AFTER CODE MODE?
Kent C. Dodds, Kody https://kentcdodds.com/blog/introducing-kody-your-personal-software-factory
Rhys, Executor v2 Gmail with a 5-minute cancel https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2108317018948792730
Max Stoiber, MCP Events in ChatGPT https://x.com/mxstbr/status/2105094948458803513
Unikernel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unikernel
Rhys, company brain with Jev https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2108586246855643293
Cap'n Web https://blog.cloudflare.com/capnweb-javascript-rpc-library/
Kenton Varda, Cloudflare OS https://x.com/KentonVarda/status/2084990137180590572
 
THE AI MOMENT FOR NORMIES
Instinct https://instinct.com/
Olivia Levine, Instinct and the jumbotron https://x.com/oliviaalevine/status/2095705075633000815
Rhys, "the Slop Superhighway" https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2106488797638861123
Rhys on Figma's MCP restrictions https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2105315738982686899
Matt's AI Engineer talk, "MCP is middleware" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBYUvGOuotE&t=1251s
 
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HOSTS + GUEST
Dillon Mulroy - https://x.com/dillon_mulroy - https://dillonis.online/ - https://twitch.tv/dillon
Rhys Sullivan - https://x.com/RhysSullivan - https://rhys.dev/ - https://executor.sh/
Sunil Pai - https://x.com/threepointone - https://sunilpai.dev/
Guest: Matt Carey - https://x.com/mattzcarey
 
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Recorded September 21, 2026. Sunil and Rhys join the Jevolution. Sunil explains the Senior Engineer Death Spiral, the blog post that blew up his DMs (and annoyed capital-E Engineers on Hacker News). Rhys looks back on YC and shows off his latest workflow. And we definitely do not talk about AI safety.
 
LINKS / ON-SCREEN REFERENCES, IN ORDER
INTRO
Executor (Rhys's company) https://executor.sh
OpenAI, re: Navier-Stokes Millennium Prize Problem https://openai.com/index/navier-stokes-solution/
Navier-Stokes credit drama https://www.axios.com/2026/09/08/openai-math-solution-navier-stokes-credit
OpenAI's models resolve 100+ open math problems https://techcrunch.com/2026/09/21/openai-forms-math-advisory-group-as-its-ai-resolves-more-than-100-open-problems/
Astra https://techcrunch.com/2026/09/03/openai-launches-astra-its-powerful-and-controversial-new-model/
Rhys's "make it fast" walk https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2101807287421808805
 
THE JEVOLUTION
TypeSafe, Introducing System One Models & Jev https://typesafe.ai/blog/introducing-system-one-models-and-jev
Noul (Jev's "how much of a yes" answer) https://docs.typesafe.ai/primitives/noul
Sunil's disaster-prone city sim https://x.com/threepointone/status/2100576921629163848
Live-editing a tldraw canvas with Jev https://x.com/jackcheng/status/2100729670991802386
json-render + Jev, by Chris Tate (ctate) https://x.com/ctatedev/status/2101022101750571357
Vercel eve, auto-approving tool calls with Jev https://vercel.com/kb/guide/auto-approve-tool-calls-eve-jev
Code Mode https://blog.cloudflare.com/code-mode/
Jevons paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
William Stanley Jevons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Stanley_Jevons
The TypeSafe team https://x.com/typesafeai/affiliates
TypeSafe's CEO enjoying Discord https://x.com/typesafeai/status/2101451220896682107
TypeSafe Discord https://discord.gg/typesafe
Diogo Almeida at Cloudflare Connect 2026 https://x.com/Cloudflare/status/2101016455533715880
Diogo on Latent Space https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jev-system-one-models-for-prod-not-god-with-diogo/id1674008350?i=1000791005427
"The Innovator's Dilemma," Clay Christensen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Innovator%27s_Dilemma
"How Will You Measure Your Life?," Clay Christensen https://www.christenseninstitute.org/book/how-will-you-measure-your-life/
The machine that digs up dirt, bro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excavator
Rhys on things that are "obvious in retrospect" https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2097425107866239333
Rhys on the execution layer https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2030903539871154193
IE 8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_8
 
THE SENIOR ENGINEER DEATH SPIRAL
Sunil Pai, "The Senior Engineer Death Spiral" https://sunilpai.dev/posts/the-senior-engineer-death-spiral/
Sunil's tweet on it https://x.com/threepointone/status/2101361724766953754
Claude Shannon (sadly not French) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Shannon
Hacker News discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49776130
 
RHYS & YC
Executor on YC https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/executor
Answer Overflow https://www.answeroverflow.com
 
RHYS'S WORKFLOW II
Rhys finally gets Dax's reply https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2102167276858577286
Effect https://effect.website
Zeke invented Swagger/OpenAPI https://x.com/threepointone/status/2100229294932766853
OpenAPI https://www.openapis.org
Cloudflare Artifacts https://www.cloudflare.com/products/artifacts/
Alchemy https://alchemy.run
GitHub stacked pull requests https://github.blog/changelog/2026-07-30-stacked-pull-requests-are-now-in-public-preview/
Autumn https://useautumn.com/
Ryan Dahl's celld https://www.theregister.com/devops/2026/08/12/nodejs-creator-liberates-durable-objects-from-cloudflare-with-celld/5286954
Ryan Dahl on how he develops celld (the two-repo thing) https://x.com/rough__sea/status/2092091242377265562
Lauren Tan (poteto) on pstack https://x.com/poteto/status/2094689242903355421
T3 Code https://t3.codes/
OpenCode https://opencode.ai
Cloudflare Email Service https://developers.cloudflare.com/email-service/
 
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HOSTS
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Rhys Sullivan - https://x.com/RhysSullivan - https://rhys.dev/ - https://executor.sh/
Sunil Pai - https://x.com/threepointone - https://sunilpai.dev/
 
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Recorded August 24, 2026. Special guest Michelle Chen answers our questions about inference. The AI industry lights money on fire. Sunil plans his LLM prepper era. Rhys takes the week off, preparing for YC Demo Day!
LINKS / ON-SCREEN REFERENCES, IN ORDER
Executor (Rhys's company) https://executor.sh
Y Combinator Demo Day https://www.ycombinator.com/demoday
Michelle Chen on X https://x.com/michellechen
Love Island S8 villa tour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2gjF5NFQng
Cloudflare Workers AI https://www.cloudflare.com/products/workers-ai/
Cloudflare AI Gateway https://www.cloudflare.com/products/ai-gateway/
Cloudflare AI Search https://developers.cloudflare.com/ai-search/
Models on Workers AI https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers-ai/models/
Cloudflare/NVIDIA GPU blog post (2021) https://blog.cloudflare.com/bringing-ai-to-the-edge/
Dane Knecht, Cloudflare CTO on X https://x.com/dok2001
Birthday week https://blog.cloudflare.com/tag/birthday-week/
Unifying Workers AI and AI Gateway https://blog.cloudflare.com/workers-ai-gateway-unification/
Z.ai / Zhipu (GLM) https://z.ai
Hugging Face https://huggingface.co
Cloudflare R2 https://www.cloudflare.com/products/r2/
SGLang https://x.com/sgl_project
vLLM https://docs.vllm.ai
OpenRouter model discounts https://openrouter.ai/models?discount=true
DeepSeek https://www.deepseek.com
Moonshot AI (Kimi) https://www.moonshot.ai
Moondream https://moondream.ai
OpenAI io (Jony Ive) https://openai.com/sam-and-jony/
SlopCodeBench (aka "SlopBench") https://github.com/humanlayer/advanced-context-engineering-for-coding-agents
Opus 5 on SlopCodeBench https://github.com/humanlayer/advanced-context-engineering-for-coding-agents/blob/main/benchmarking-opus-5-on-slop-code-bench.md
The Next Token Ep 03 (AI psychosis) https://youtu.be/2bE93tynluk
Ox Alpha/GLM-5.3 Flash https://x.com/Zai_org/status/2092616204787626030
The subreddit for Sunil https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/
Solarpunk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solarpunk
AMD Instinct https://www.amd.com/en/products/accelerators/instinct.html
Jensen Huang was once a Denny's waiter https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-billionaire-ceo-went-denny-145530671.html
CUDA https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-toolkit
Wafer (GPUSteve's company) https://www.wafer.ai/
NVIDIA Blackwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwell_(microarchitecture)
NVIDIA Hopper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopper_(microarchitecture)
Black Forest Labs Flux.1-dev https://huggingface.co/black-forest-labs/FLUX.1-dev
NVIDIA Vera Rubin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubin_(microarchitecture)
ZIRP era https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_interest-rate_policy
Q-commerce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-commerce
Cloudflare Durable Objects https://developers.cloudflare.com/durable-objects/
Kenton Varda continues to be right 6 months ago https://x.com/kentonvarda
Sparkles emoji https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkles_emoji
Community, the Greendale flag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEjIzKZ4wOA
Sunil's new role https://x.com/threepointone/status/2088272607804039274
Sunil's builder-in-residence role https://sunilpai.dev/posts/the-task-isnt-the-job/
Sunil on software factories https://x.com/threepointone/status/2091167009669075314
Max Kreminski https://mkremins.github.io/
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Michelle Chen - https://x.com/michellechen - https://blog.cloudflare.com/author/michelle/
HOSTS
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Recorded August 7, 2026. We explore AI alignment & safety, Rhys demos his workflow, and we end up mentioning a lot of books.
 
LINKS / ON-SCREEN REFERENCES, IN ORDER
AI ALIGNMENT
Wikipedia, AI alignment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_alignment
Wikipedia, AI safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_safety
"Some Moral and Technical Consequences of Automation," Norbert Wiener https://www.cs.umd.edu/users/gasarch/BLOGPAPERS/moral.pdf
Three laws of robotics (Asimov) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics
Thinking Machines in Dune https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Thinking_Machines
1960 in music https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_in_music
Billionaires building NZ bunkers https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/billionaire-boltholes-inside-doomsday-hideouts-170000871.html
Rhys tweet on sandboxes https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2085601612266115487
OpenAI/Hugging Face incident at Black Hat USA 2026 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87DyyMV0kCY
OpenAI blog post about Hugging Face incident https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-model-evaluation-security-incident/
Hugging Face timeline of the incident https://huggingface.co/blog/agent-intrusion-technical-timeline
Artifactory https://jfrog.com/artifactory/
Modal https://modal.com
US Congress calls for open hearings with AI executives https://casar.house.gov/media/press-releases/casar-leads-call-congressional-hearings-ai-ceos
Sunil Kenton Varda tweet https://x.com/threepointone/status/2019124493395063134
Cap'n Proto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap%27n_Proto
Paperclip Maximizer https://nickbostrom.com/ethics/ai
Hugging Face's initial security disclosure https://huggingface.co/blog/security-incident-july-2026
Project Glasswing at Cloudflare https://blog.cloudflare.com/cyber-frontier-models/
Claude's Constitution https://www.anthropic.com/constitution
qntm - https://qntm.org
There Is No Antimemetics Division https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Is_No_Antimemetics_Division
Valuable Humans in Transit https://qntm.org/vhitaos
Frame-By-Frame (first draft) https://qntm.org/frame
 
RHYS'S WORKFLOW
UsefulSoftwareCo (contains Rhys demo repos) https://github.com/UsefulSoftwareCo/
Emulate service catalog https://emulators.dev
Executor https://executor.sh
Integrations.sh https://integrations.sh
Model Context Protocol (MCP) https://modelcontextprotocol.io
Executor in YC https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/executor
AGENTS.md https://agents.md
GBrain https://github.com/garrytan/gbrain
Ben Davis pi setup https://github.com/davis7dotsh/my-pi-setup
GStack https://github.com/garrytan/gstack
PostHog https://posthog.com
PlanetScale https://planetscale.com
Playwright https://playwright.dev
Axiom https://axiom.co
Effect https://effect.website
OpenTelemetry https://opentelemetry.io
Dex Horthy, "Why Software Factories Fail" https://x.com/dexhorthy/status/2080697380379427275
Rhys tweet on proactive agents https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2085453490185539655
Polylane https://polylane.com
Rift https://github.com/anomalyco/rift
Wispr Flow https://wisprflow.ai
Kit Langton https://x.com/kitlangton
Coolify https://coolify.io
Matt Pocock's Skills (including grill-me) https://github.com/mattpocock/skills
ls -al https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ls
Max Brodeur-Urbas, founder of Gumloop https://www.gumloop.com/creators/max
Rhys tweet about about going slowly https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2076775246900941259
 
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Rhys Sullivan - https://x.com/RhysSullivan - https://rhys.dev/ - https://executor.sh/
Sunil Pai - https://x.com/threepointone - https://sunilpai.dev/
 
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