Startups For the Rest of Us

What happens when AI starts competing with your open source business?

In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Adam Wathan, co-founder of Tailwind CSS, for a candid conversation about the dramatic revenue decline that forced Tailwind Labs to lay off most of their team. Adam shares the hard lessons learned from running a business based on one-time purchases, why he didn't see the slowdown coming, and how an honest podcast episode accidentally turned everything around.

Then they switch gears entirely to talk about founder fitness: how Adam lost 70 pounds, his 15-minute weighted vest workouts, and why tracking strength gains can be more motivating than watching the scale.

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Topics we cover:

(4:43) – Adam's history with Tailwind CSS

(5:17) – Revenue decline and the "boiling frog" problem

(8:30) – Making the hard decision to lay off the team

(11:39) – The viral podcast episode and unexpected sponsors

(13:07) – Should Tailwind have used recurring revenue?

(21:20) – Enterprise pricing and team licenses

(25:47) – What's next: Ui.sh and swimming downstream with AI

(27:40) – Founder fitness: 15-minute weighted vest circuits

(33:01) – Tracking strength gains as motivation

(39:13) – Did getting fit make Adam a better founder?

Links from the show:

MicroConf Europe ┃Reykjavik, Iceland · Sept 21–23, 2026

Tailwind CSS

Tailwind Labs

ui.sh 

Adam's Morning Walk Podcast 

My Body Tutor 

Adam Wathan (@adamwathan)┃X

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What do you do when a collaborator takes your idea and builds a competing product?

In this episode, Rob Walling is joined by fan favorite Jordan Gal to answer listener questions on some of the trickiest challenges founders face. They cover financing decisions like using debt to bridge cash flow gaps, competing in markets flooded with vibe-coded apps, and what to do when a collaborator takes your idea and runs with it.

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Topics we cover:

(3:50) – Jordan Gal on Rosie's multichannel launch

(8:01) – Investing cash in slow-moving healthcare markets

(10:32) – Using debt or credit against signed contracts

(16:48) – Competing in crowded markets with vibe-coded apps

(24:34) – Should you offer advisory shares to design partners?

(30:38) – Selling to problem-aware but not solution-aware audiences

(37:35) – When a collaborator steals your startup idea

Links from the show:

TinySeed SaaS Institute

Stripe Capital

The Play Bigger Book

The SaaS Playbook

Rob Walling's Books

Rob Walling's Newsletter

Rosie AI

Jordan Gal (@JordanGal) | X

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Is AI really killing B2B SaaS, or is it just subscription software by another name?

In this Hot Take Tuesday, Rob Walling, Einar Vollset, and Tracy Osborn dig into the market panic around SaaS stocks, whether AI models are actually getting better, ChatGPT's move into advertising (and Anthropic's spicy response), and the explosion of OpenClaw. They also tackle QSBS and when SaaS acquisitions shift from asset to stock purchases.

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This episode is brought to you by Mercury

Mercury is the banking solution I use across my businesses, from my personal single-member LLC to MicroConf and TinySeed.

Traditional banking forces you to duct-tape tools together and work around slow, clunky processes. Mercury gives me a clean dashboard that shows exactly where each business stands at a glance.

The interface is simple enough for daily banking and paying invoices, but powerful enough to handle multi-step approval workflows for large transfers.

There's a reason more than 300,000 entrepreneurs have made the switch. It's free to get started with no in-person visits and no minimum balance.

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Mercury is a fintech company, not an FDIC-insured bank. Banking services provided through Choice Financial Group and Column N.A., Members FDIC.

If you’ve got a strong vision but no technical partner, you need more than a “vibe-coded” MVP, you need a real foundation.

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Topics we cover:

(3:52) – M&A guide for B2B SaaS founders

(6:35) – QSBS and asset vs. stock purchase thresholds

(9:25) – Is AI killing B2B SaaS?

(16:27) – Are AI models noticeably better than a year ago?

(17:27) – ChatGPT vs. Claude: real-world experiences

(26:17) – ChatGPT ads and Anthropic's Super Bowl response

(29:34) – The opportunity for SaaS founders in new ad networks

(32:29) – OpenClaw: hype or substance?

Links from the show:

MicroConf US April 12-14, 2026 · Portland, Oregon

Discretion Capital’s M&A Guide

TinySeed SaaS Institute

AI is Killing B2B SaaS by Namanyay Goel

OpenClaw is What Apple Intelligence Should Have Been by Jake Quist

Rob Walling @robwalling | X

Einar Vollset @einarvollset | X

Tracy Osborn (tracymakes) | Blue Sky

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Should you build your SaaS with no-code tools, or is AI coding the better path forward?

In this episode, Rob is joined by fan favorite Derrick Reimer to tackle listener questions on no-code vs. AI vibe coding, when to take small funding early vs. pure bootstrapping, whether SaaS margins will compress as AI makes building cheaper, and how to get truly useful feedback from your customers.

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Episode Sponsor:

Hiring engineers right now is kinda broken. AI resumes, fake profiles, people who look senior on paper but can't ship anything real.

G2i cuts through all of that. They've pre-vetted over 8,000 engineers- not "we glanced at their GitHub" vetted, actually tested with live technical interviews. Contract or full-time- just tell them what you need and within days you're reviewing real candidates.

And you get a risk-free trial. If it's not a fit, they'll replace the dev in 24 hours.

G2i is trusted by companies like Meta, 1Password, and countless bootstrapped founders who need to move fast without making expensive mistakes.

Get a 7-day free trial and $1,500 off when you mention Startups for the Rest of Us at https://www.g2i.co/rob 

️ Want to attend their AI Miami in April? Use promo code Rob50Off

Topics we cover:

(2:18) – No-code vs. AI vibe coding for SaaS

(7:55) – What Rob would do as a non-developer today

(11:10) – Will you have to rewrite AI or no-code apps later?

(17:08) – Taking small funding early vs. bootstrapping

(21:29) – De-risking before taking funding

(27:42) – Will AI compress SaaS margins?

(31:32) – Why brand and positioning still win

(37:38) – Expanding your value chain with AI

(39:47) – Getting actionable feedback from customers

Links from the show:

MicroConf Europe 2026 – Join us in Reykjavík, Iceland (Sept 21–23) 

Discretion Capital - M&A Advisory for B2B SaaS with $2-25m ARR

SavvyCal

SavvyCal Appointments

TinySeed

Derrick Reimer (@derrickreimer) | X

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Is founder-led marketing right for your SaaS, or just a distraction?

In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Jay Clouse, founder of Creator Science, to explore founder-led marketing. They dig into how Jay overcame his own limiting beliefs about creativity, why most SaaS founders probably shouldn't pursue content creation, and how to evaluate whether building an audience makes sense for your specific business.

This is part one of a two-part conversation. Head to the Creator Science podcast to hear Jay interview Rob about SaaS, being a creator, and how he prioritizes his time.

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This episode is brought to you by Mercury

Mercury is the banking solution I use across my businesses, from my personal single-member LLC to MicroConf and TinySeed.

Traditional banking forces you to duct-tape tools together and work around slow, clunky processes. Mercury gives me a clean dashboard that shows exactly where each business stands at a glance.

The interface is simple enough for daily banking and paying invoices, but powerful enough to handle multi-step approval workflows for large transfers.

There's a reason more than 300,000 entrepreneurs have made the switch. It's free to get started with no in-person visits and no minimum balance.

Apply online in minutes at mercury.com.

Mercury is a fintech company, not an FDIC-insured bank. Banking services provided through Choice Financial Group and Column N.A., Members FDIC.

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Topics we cover: 

(3:17) – What is Creator Science and who it serves

(6:49) – “I’m not creative”: Jay’s mindset shift + advice for founders

(11:38) – Examples of ultra-niche creator businesses 

(13:54) – Why founders should create content for customers (not other founders)

(19:02) – Discovery vs. relationship channels: where attention actually comes from

(20:10) – Who Should Pursue Founder-Led Marketing? 

(24:17) – Picking platforms based on where your customers already are

(31:43) – Founder-involved vs. founder-led marketing

Links from the Show: 

MicroConf Europe┃Reykjavik, Iceland · Sept 21-23

Creator Science

Creator Science Podcast (Part two of this conversation)

Jay Clouse┃LinkedIn