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Long before Gypsy Rose Blanchard's mother was murdered, the tension inside that house was already at a breaking point. The private videos between Gypsy and Nick Godejohn that nobody was supposed to see. The evidence of violence that the HBO documentary never showed you. And the text messages from the night of June 9th, 2015, read out loud, minute by minute. They are not what you expect.

Gypsy's critics say she was the violent one all along. That it was Dee Dee who had reason to be afraid.

Chapters

00:00 Everyone Has A Hot Take02:26 The BB Gun04:09 Chained To The Bed05:11 Why Not Just Run Away?07:23 Nancy Simpson: She Was Shopping For A Man09:22 That Bitch Is Dead10:40 Victim Doesn't Mean Innocent11:19 The Plea Deal13:17 When Nick Became The Victim16:16 Functions Like A 10-Year-Old17:52 I Still Love Her18:43 Activating The Dark Side20:34 The Texts From June 9, 201523:58 What Gypsy Makes Of It25:15 Andrea Dunlop On The Autism Argument26:56 Grace And Accountability28:01 Why Don't They Show You The Same Grace?29:35 On The Plea Deal30:15 Is It In All Of Us?

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Written and produced by Javier Leiva. Edited by Puneet Shenoy with The Podcast Pundits. Theme music by Joe Basile, thechicken.net.

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Her critics say Gypsy Rose Blanchard can't keep her story straight. So I sat down with her for almost three hours and asked about all of it. The pills through the feeding tube. The video where she tells Nick Godejohn she'd been hiding that she could walk since she was seven. And the Demona videos she has never addressed in front of a reporter.

You'll also meet the mother-daughter team behind Into the Weeds (youtube.com/@into-the-weeds-podcast), whose records requests produced what the internet calls the Gypstein Files.

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Chapters:

(00:00) Beignets And A Drive Into The Bayou

(01:50) The Questions Her Critics Say She Dodges

(02:36) No Mansion, Just A Fourplex

(04:48) The Breaking Point Was A Throat Surgery

(06:47) This Is My Voice

(08:19) Vicodin Through The Feeding Tube

(09:53) Did She Ever Go To School?

(11:46) Into The Weeds Files The Records Request

(12:59) What's Actually In The Gypstein Files

(15:59) The Video Where She Walks

(17:46) What Her Medical Records Say

(20:43) I Ask Gypsy To Settle It

(23:04) Videos Never Meant To Be Public

(25:56) Slave, Master, And An Old Facebook Account

(28:23) Dan Glidewell Testifies Under Oath

(29:46) The Demona Video

(34:25) Those Videos Were Disgusting

(35:14) Isolation And The Price Of Freedom

(36:10) Next Time On Pretend

Written by Javier Leiva. Edited by Puneet Shenoy with The Podcast Pundits. Theme music by Joe Basile, thechicken.net.

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For almost five years, the Fernandez family told me their doctor's husband was terrorizing them. Threatening messages, unpaid pizza deliveries, police at the door for crimes that never happened.

Three weeks ago, Peoria police surrounded their house with a search warrant and seized every device inside. Nobody was arrested that day. Then this week, one of the Fernandez children was booked into a Maricopa County jail on more than thirty counts, including stalking, making a terrorist threat, and sexual exploitation of a minor.

All charges are allegations. No one has been convicted, and the case is ongoing.

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Gypsy Rose Blanchard is the most beloved convicted murderer in America. Half the country sees a victim. The other half thinks she conned everyone, including her mother.

I spent months trying to figure out which side is telling the truth. Then I emailed Gypsy. A few hours later, we were on a call.

Chapters

(00:00) The Most Beloved Convicted Murderer In America
(01:35) The Short Version
(02:53) It's All A Lie
(03:41) Inside Her Medical Records
(05:26) Allergic To Sugar
(06:10) The Community That Flipped The Narrative
(07:48) Andrea Dunlop Interviews Gypsy
(09:41) Then I Read The Comments
(11:20) Straight To The Source
(11:52) Welcome To The Gypsyverse
(13:04) The Internet Does What The Internet Does
(15:35) Is Gypsy Rich?
(17:22) What Are They A Fan Of?
(19:22) Famous vs. Well-Known
(20:12) Billboards, Flyers, And A Minor Child
(23:14) Nick Godejohn Is Still In Prison
(24:18) The Demona Clips
(25:54) Would You Answer Uncomfortable Questions?
(27:47) Next Time On Pretend
(28:24) Update: The Prison Calls
(30:28) What I Will And Won't Play

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Written by Javier Leiva.

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Gypsy Rose Blanchard is America's most beloved convicted murderer.

The media told us she spent 23 years in a wheelchair, with a feeding tube, a breathing machine, and a diagnosis list that never ended. None of it was real. Her mother made it all up. And then Gypsy had her mother stabbed to death.

When she walked out of prison in December 2023, not everyone was
celebrating. A community formed online working together to dismantle her new life.

So yeah. America's sweetheart is also a convicted murderer. And
depending on who you ask, she's either the most sympathetic person
alive, or the most dangerous woman on the internet.

This is The Gypsy Rose Obsession. Coming August 11th on PRETEND podcast.

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