Being Well with Forrest Hanson and Dr. Rick Hanson

We’ve all been told to “feel our feelings,” but what does that actually mean, and how do you do it? Forrest talks with trauma therapist Simone Saunders about how to go from knowing your patterns to being able to do something about them when things get intense.

They discuss what your nervous system does when it decides you're not safe, why the tools you've collected go offline in exactly the moments you need them, and how a sense of agency changes that equation. Simone walks through her three-step process for noticing a sensation, working out what it's asking for, and doing something different with it. They also talk about the functional freeze, what to do when you “don’t feel anything,” and how to relate to shame and grief.

Key Topics:

00:00: Intro: overthinking, cognitive bypassing, and intellectualizing

4:42: What it means to “be in the body”

9:46: Bottom-up approaches and trauma

18:33: How to recognize disconnection and functional freeze

28:38: Moving out of a dictatorship and into a partnership with your body

34:51: How to actually feel your feelings

46:29: The difference between emotions and feelings

52:14: Meeting your needs

57:40: The limit of self-understanding, frameworks, and tools

1:00:07: Moving into experiments, titration, and when you feel too much or not enough

1:17:28: Recap

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Dr. Rick and Forrest explore how to become more resistant to manipulation, discussing terms like gaslighting, DARVO, and love bombing. They talk about why cynicism doesn’t make you immune to manipulation, and how excessive skepticism and trust can go together. They share the “handles” manipulators exploit, break down common forms of reality distortion, emotional manipulation, and situational engineering, and discuss what actually helps.

Key Topics:

0:00: What is manipulation?

6:25: Are cynical people less manipulatable?

14:52: How can we become manipulation resistant?

25:51: How manipulation works

26:30: Tactic 1: Reality distortion

33:49: Tactic 2: Emotional manipulation

38:02: Tactic 3: Situational engineering

40:00: Key qualities to develop

45:17: Establishing protective systems and managing "the fuzz"

1:02:36: Recap

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Terms like boundaries, gaslighting, triggers, trauma, and attachment are everywhere now. Dr. Rick and Forrest answer a listener question about the consequences - good and bad - of clinical language escaping the therapy room. They then answer three more questions: an introverted listener wonders about the pressure to be social, a couple wants to know how to loosen their strict scorekeeping around household tasks, and a 27-year-old wonders whether becoming a therapist means wasting the degree they already have.

Key Topics:

00:00: Introduction

1:24: Question 1: The rise, and problems, of therapy speak.

8:15: Boundaries as a tool for control

11:04: Epistemic injustice: who gets believed

14:48: The ups and downs of labels.

19:20: Question 2: Do I really need to expand my social circle if I'm happy being mostly alone?

28:23: Question 3: How do we balance household responsibilities without scorekeeping?

41:15: Question 4: I want to become a therapist, but I’m scared to change careers. What should I do?

51:30: Recap

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Dr. Rick and Forrest explore burnout: what it is, why it’s so common, and what people can do about it. They begin by framing burnout as largely a structural problem that individuals are forced to manage. They unpack the six major drivers of burnout, why some people are especially vulnerable, and how chronic stress affects the mind and body. They then turn to practical ways to recover more effectively, including psychologically detaching from work, finding more effective forms of relaxation, protecting your own self-concept, and reducing underlying vulnerabilities. Finally, they talk about how we can preserve meaning and agency when we truly can’t change our circumstances.

Key Topics:

00:00: Intro and burnout as a structural issue

7:20: Six major factors of stress and what to do about them

21:57: Mindfulness, relaxation, and recovery

34:11: Protecting your own self-concept and job crafting

41:46: Reduce vulnerabilities and taking care of yourself

1:04:45: Recap

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We all understand the emotional impact of grief, but its effects on the body are often overlooked. Forrest is joined by clinical psychologist and researcher Dr. Mary-Frances O’Connor to explore the physiology of grief. Dr. O’Connor explains how our brains and bodies organize themselves around the people we love, creating “maps” of their presence and relying on them for physical and emotional regulation. They discuss the health risks associated with bereavement, how to care for the healing body, ambiguous loss, the difference between grief and prolonged grief, and how we can gradually build a meaningful life around loss.

About our Guest: Dr. Mary-Frances O'Connor is a Professor of Clinical Psychology and Psychiatry at the University of Arizona and Director of the Grief, Loss, and Social Stress Laboratory. She is the author of two books on grief: The Grieving Brain and The Grieving Body.

Key Topics:

00:00: Intro

4:42: The map that no longer exists

12:00: Co-regulation: the attachment figure as an external pacemaker

16:35: Physiological effects of grief

24:53: Taking care of yourself after a loss

36:46: Protest, despair, and meditative practices

45:45: Prolonged grief and getting stuck in restoration

57:31: Progressive Muscle Relaxation vs mindfulness

1:03:00: Re-engaging with the world

1:15:42: Recap

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