Religion on the Mind

Episode #370 | Trusting Yourself After Religious Change

*Original Description *

To Trust Your Experience (Dustin Kensrue) (#38)

Is experience potentially a direct pathway to the God of the universe? Or is it simply “the heart [being] deceitful above all things”? Can we trust our spiritual experience, and if so, which experiences are trustworthy? This topic was recommended by my guest Dustin Kensrue (singer/songwriter of the band Thrice, former worship director at Mars Hill Church in Seattle), and I jumped at it. In today’s episode, we go through Dustin’s own story, from young Christian punk rocker, to prominent Neo-Calvinist, to church scandal whistleblower (sort of), to reconstructed liberal Christian, all the while considering the role of experience in that journey.

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Guest: Jenn Mason (⁠WinkWink Boutique⁠)

Topics:

Growing up Jewish in a small rural town and rediscovering Judaism as an adult (1:43)

National media attention, antisemitic harassment, and finding a spiritual framework (6:26)

Why read the Gospels: side-eye toward Christianity and swimming in a Christian culture (10:57)

Softness, disability, and getting "off template" (24:53)

First impressions of Matthew: the Sermon on the Mount and Jesus at the center (34:23)

Anti-Pharisee texts, the Great Commission, and the religion of Jesus vs. Christianity (43:32)

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Guest: Valerie Martin (Gaia Center / But For Real Podcast)

Topics:

Tarot, astrology, and Valerie's path into new age spirituality (4:57)

Wellness coaching, MLM culture, and spiritual bypassing (10:53)

Cialdini's Influence: social proof and identity enmeshment (24:03)

Money, ethics, and the "Wild West" of spiritual coaching (31:24)

Patron Break

The Telepathy Tapes: facilitated communication and the case for and against (43:51)

Near-death experiences, psi phenomena, and the limits of a materialist brain (1:00:53)

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Guest: Daryl Van Tongeren Returns! (⁠Hope College⁠ / ⁠"Done"⁠)

Topics:

What is existentialism and existential psychology? (5:25)

Does life have a predetermined purpose, or do we make our own? (19:00)

Faith and uncertainty (42:21)

Objective morality, self-sacrifice, and the doormat problem (54:02)

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Guests: Victoria Jackson & Terry Shoemaker

Topics:

Religion, sport, and the sacred — evangelical baggage and finite vs. eternal stakes (7:00)

Maradona's "Hand of God" and sport as modern mythology (13:42)

Victoria's World Cup travel plans and fan culture on the road (20:36)

FIFA corruption, Infantino, and Trump's soccer obsession (36:13)

Masculinity, grace, and violence across sports (44:45)

Promotion, relegation, and why an MLS club costs more than Bournemouth (56:29)

Final predictions: teams to watch (58:00)

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