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Back in the first episode of 2026, I shares some things I think craft chocolate can learn from craft beer. One of those lessons (and, upon reflection, one of the only positive ones) was to collaborate expansively. While craft chocolate makers periodically partner with breweries and coffee roasters, the avenues for collaboration in the industry remain pretty limited. That's a shame, because collaboration offers amazing opportunity to growing your chocolate business.
This is the first in a four part bonus series called Collaborations for Chocolate Makers. In the series, we'll walk through different types of possible collaborations and how craft chocolate makers should go about them.
In this first episode, we're stepping back and looking at collaboration more generally: What are the benefits, why should you do it, and what are considerations you should think about before beginning a partnership?
If you have any thoughts, questions, or suggestions from this episode, please feel free to reach out!

Check out David's book Pairing Beer & Chocolate: A Guide to Bringing the Flavors of Craft Beer and Craft Chocolate Together.

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Today we're talking with Jason Brewer and Zac Boehnke of Wandering Monsters Brewing in Cincinnati, Ohio. While they brew a wide variety of beers well, they're best known for excellent adjunct stouts like Viator Obscura: Triple Chocolate, which has medaled at both Great American Beer Festival and World Beer Cup.
In this episode, Jason and Zac talk about how they approach brewing with cacao nibs, vanilla, and other ingredients, how their high concept adjunct stouts come together, where they source their cacao, and why beers of this type are worth taking seriously and approaching thoughtfully. 
You can check out the Wandering Monsters site here, or follow them on Instagram.
You can listen to previous episodes mentioned in this episode here: Ethereal Confections, Somerville Chocolate, Front Porch Chocolate, Third Eye Brewing.
You can check out the events mentioned in the episode here: Full Circle Brewgarden, Belgian-Style Ales.
Interview timeline:
2:25 - How beer recipes are developed with adjuncts and barrels in mind
4:50 - Viator Obscura: Triple Chocolate
6:35 - Cacao husks
7:25 - Cacao origin selection
10:15 - Banana Caboose
14:25 - Storytelling with adjunct stouts
15:50 - Brownie Stout, other beers
17:15 - Vanilla
18:45 - Wandering Monsters branding
22:30 - Marketing adjunct stouts
24:15 - Their favorite of their own adjunct stouts
27:15 - Advice for other brewers on working with cacao and other adjuncts
29:00 - Brewing pastry stouts thoughtfully
33:20 - End of interview
Check out David's book Pairing Beer & Chocolate: A Guide to Bringing the Flavors of Craft Beer and Craft Chocolate Together.

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Bean to Barstool Redux: Vintage but still relevant conversations from the archives without all the extra narration. Just classic interviews from really cool people in craft chocolate, craft beer, and other food and beverage fields.
In this edition, we hear from Emily Stone, founder of Uncommon Cacao, who supplies cacao for hundreds of bean to bar chocolate makers and, indirectly through their bean to bar partners, quite a few craft breweries as well. 
We talk with Emily about those origins, what led her to start Uncommon, and the importance of full, two-way transparency in the cacao supply chain.
Check out David's book Pairing Beer & Chocolate: A Guide to Bringing the Flavors of Craft Beer and Craft Chocolate Together.

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Welcome to Bean to Barstool Bite Sized, where we spend about 5 minutes on a specific topic in craft beer, craft chocolate, or artisan drinks. Today we're looking back at one of the first deep dives I ever did on pairing beer and chocolate for Bean to Barstool. Enjoy!
You can listen to the entire episode this clip is from here.
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This month, London Coe of Peace on Fifth in Dayton, Ohio, will celebrate the tenth annual Global Black Chocolate Makers Month. It's an opportunity to promote the work of Black craft chocolate makers from outside the U.S., and introduce tasters here to makers and, in some case, ingredients they might not be familiar with.
In this episode of Bean to Barstool, David Nilsen and London discuss the importance of Global Black Chocolate Makers Month, what we gain when we have tasting experiences that push us outside our comfort zones, and the makers she'll be promoting throughout February.
The makers highlighted in this episode include Eka Chocolate from Madagascar, One One Cacao from Jamaica (listen to my previous interview with Nick Davis of One One here), Afrikoa from South Africa, Zacao from Ghana, '57 Chocolate from Ghana, and Ayitika from Haiti, among others.
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Peace on Fifth's website
Episode timeline (approximate):
1:00 - Introduction
2:30 - Global Black Chocolate Makers Month
6:05 - How GBCMM got started
14:20 - Value of makers and voices
21:15 - Eka Chocolate and other highlighted makers
34:25 - What story is GBCMM telling?
37:45 - News and notes
46:55 - End
Here you can find info and tickets for my upcoming beer and chocolate pairings at Third Eye Brewing and Full Circle Brewgarden.
Check out David's book Pairing Beer & Chocolate: A Guide to Bringing the Flavors of Craft Beer and Craft Chocolate Together.

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